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Nestor_sensei UG: Ayn Rand was far from stupid.
Nestor_sensei She was misguided
UserGoogol I suppose so, but “misguided bitch” isn’t as funny.
Nestor_sensei But her work regarding the cultivation of the ego and the expressions of individuality and solitary expression were fairly on-target
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CrackPr0n new sharpnel \o/
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UserGoogol Nestor: I don’t know what you mean by those words.
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Nestor_sensei Obviously you need some work on individual thought and ego-cultivation~
CrackPr0n HAHAHAH
CrackPr0n Sharpnel has a song called
CrackPr0n “All of oils are belong to me”
UserGoogol It’s just that those words can be intepreted in many different ways.
Nestor_sensei Look. The Fountainihead and Anthem were about the realization and embracement of the Ego, right?
Nestor_sensei …did you even read her work?
UserGoogol Just a bit of her non-fiction.
Ani UserGoogol, read Action Philosophers
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Nestor_sensei I haven’t read all her work, but alot of it is what modern day ‘satanists’ hold as the core of their tenets: namely the embracing of the self, worshiping the Ego, holding themselves as the higher value over the group.
Ani it’s good and cheap like RoxRawr
RoxRawr Ani is trying to rape me Nestor, stop him and tear off his penis
Nestor_sensei The embodiment of self-actualization, Ego-worship, individuality, and solitarinism
Nestor_sensei Rox: it’s not rape, you’ve been begging for dick since you came into the channel
Nestor_sensei Shut up and fucking enjoy it
UserGoogol There’s nothing wrong with worshiping the self per se, but she seemed to go about it in a silly way.
RoxRawr Hey! I’m giving you the chance to humilate and castrate Ani so that he may never have sex ever again and you deny that chance?!?!
Nestor_sensei I’m male, he’s male. Why would I be interested in sticking up for a female?
RoxRawr you aren’t doing it for me you’re doing it for you!
Nestor_sensei UG: you know the era in which she wrote, right?
UserGoogol Yeah.
Nestor_sensei Rox: I gain nothing from assisting you, or Ani.
Nestor_sensei You’re on your own
RoxRawr fine! D:
Nestor_sensei UG: One of the things she was concerned with was the consolidation of civilization and the abandonment of the individual.
Nestor_sensei I can’t remember if this is accurate or not, but I think she came from Communist Russia
RoxRawr she did
Nestor_sensei So perhaps her ideas weren’t so off-base at the time
RoxRawr she was an actor in Hollywood
UserGoogol Yeah, and her philosophy is certainly extremely understandable when you look at it in that context.
UserGoogol Rox: I don’t think she acted, but she wrote scripts.
RoxRawr hmmm
RoxRawr I think you’re right on that
RoxRawr but I thought she did one film as a minor role to make money
UserGoogol Defending individualism was worth doing, she just defended a stupid kind of individualism which values “self-respect” over actually being happy.
wombat74 AYn Rand sucks ‘cos she’s not English
wombat74 and only English people can be awesome
Nestor_sensei No, her idea was that all happiness stemmed from self-respect
wombat74 just ask Malcolm
RoxRawr ino rite
UserGoogol And I would have to disagree with that.
Nestor_sensei by submitting to a society, or group of individuals in favor of the communal idea means that your value as an individual has just been comprimised.
RoxRawr Bitch be cool!
Nestor_sensei The idea was a rebellion of the common idea that man can only be happy and functional when he’s part of a group.
Nestor_sensei This ties in to the idea that as humans we’re a terrible waste… unless you factor us all in as a whole
Nestor_sensei that an individual is useless in favor of a group.
RoxRawr that idea was very present in Anthem but she was also a firm believer in the corporation which is an extreme example of a group
RoxRawr it wasn’t so much rebellion as it was the group adapting to the needs of the members
Nestor_sensei but you’re still abdicating individual control to a hive structure
RoxRawr sure but you’re not rebelling against the hive
Nestor_sensei in a group ideology, you don’t have needs, you have a ‘group concern’
RoxRawr no you have a group of people working toward an objection or goal
RoxRawr not an absolution over their actions
Nestor_sensei there’s no individuality represented in an individual, no matter how much they’re interested in you.
Nestor_sensei ….fuck
Nestor_sensei there’s no individuality represented in a GROUP, no matter how much they’re interested in you.
RoxRawr represented in a group?
RoxRawr well take for example you have a group of artists each different in what they do
RoxRawr they work towards a common goal but they do their specific jobs taylored to their strengths in order to work towards the group
Nestor_sensei this ties strongly into why Governments run “by the people and for the people” will always destroy itself; it’s the ego rebelliong against the group ideology
RoxRawr thus you take in account individuality and still mainatin a group mentality
UserGoogol I don’t think Ayn Rand was opposed to people forming groups, merely “groups for groups’ sake.” If individuals have common interests, then she had no problem with them teaming up.
Nestor_sensei a group, by its very nature, cannot understand, respect, or even come to terms with an individual need without the inevitable corrosion and destruction of said group
Nestor_sensei UG: right
RoxRawr well it depends what group you are talking about
RoxRawr the idea of a group a collection of people
Nestor_sensei If I want to go down the street and carve up a steak at the local restaurant, and there are like-minded individuals, then the group certainly holds precedence
RoxRawr the collection of people working towards a goal that’s a goal they all should possess
RoxRawr it never addresses nullifying the idea of individual desires
Nestor_sensei well, small groups are easier to express individual thoughts and desires across
Nestor_sensei refer to the steak-hunting party I mentioned above
CrackPr0n mm steak
Nestor_sensei Now, if the entire city of DFenver decided that it was steak night, but I felt I’d be better off with chicken, you’d see the destruction of the individual in favor of the group ideal
RoxRawr hmmm but if you wanted chicken you wouldn’t be part of the group
Nestor_sensei how many people in Denver would say, “Well guys, I know we want steak and nothing will stop us, but Nestor thinks we should have chicken, so let’s make it chicken night
Nestor_sensei Rox: exactly
Nestor_sensei the group fails in addressing the needs of the individual.
Nestor_sensei You’re not so stupid after all
UserGoogol Rox: Thus the distinction between voluntary groups formed by a comon interests (that Ayn Rand had no problem with) and the kind Ayn Rand thought were evil commie bullshit.
CrackPr0n i want steak
DRwut I want in n out
RoxRawr I suppose~
UserGoogol At least I assume she had no problem with it. I don’t remember reading her explicitly say that, but it seems like a logical interpretation of her theories.

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